The Shroud of Turin - Trik Forum

Graham · **The Shroud of Turin -** 03-22-2009, 07:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8KLjxFCpXw

Real? Fake? How could the image have gotten there? Is it proof that there was a "Jesus"?

Debate.

**hallydude** · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 03:39 AM

That means nothing. Anyone could've planted it...the only proof that I would partially believe, is if someone found his body.

Until them, I'm Atheist.

Graham · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hallydude

That means nothing. Anyone could've planted it...the only proof that I would partially believe, is if someone found his body.

Until them, I'm Atheist.

Not anyone could have planted it...In the video, if you watched, they dated the shroud back to 2,000-2,050 years ago with radiocarbon dating (when Jesus was born). The funny thing is that if someone placed it there, who had the technology to make that? It wasn't a photo, it wasn't drawn on, it wasn't a painting, it wasn't burnt on, etc. Scientists have no clue how the image was put on the cloth. The shroud is kept in Turin, Italy. They found pollens which could only be found in Bethlehem and Jerusalem on the shroud confirming that the shroud had originated there. Also, the blood was confirmed placed on the shroud before the image. How could someone have placed the blood then known exactly where to draw the body with the exact cuts without any flaws?

Scientists also say that the nail marks, the gouge in his side and the cuts from the crown are all e accurate extremely based on their locations on the shroud. It ties together, it's just not the dating because that isn't sufficient.

**hallydude** · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 11:22 AM

That still doesn't prove it was Jesus. Could've been anyone. They killed a lot of people in that method (crucifixion) back then

~~Milot~~ · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 12:31 PM

This angel was outside the tomb different from 2 angels inside the tomb.
Mat 28:2 And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it.
Mat 28:3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow.
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the Guards trembled and became like dead men.
Mat 28:5 But the angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified.

This is all I could find.

**hallydude** · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 12:58 PM

the bible proves nothing.

~~Milot~~ · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 01:51 PM

I'm not christian bro..I'm muslim..I'm not an Iraqi or Iranian..I'm Albanian..different culture than Iraqis..

God · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hallydude

TThat means nothing. Anyone could've planted it...the only proof that I would partially believe, is if someone found his body.

Until them, I'm Atheist.

The bible says Jesus was exhumed into Heaven, thus not leaving behind a body. So if the story is true, you wouldn't find a body anyway.

~~Milot~~ · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 03:10 PM

You are very right God. The bible does say that.

God · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 04:53 PM

The Bible also says God created man from dust [We can prove evolution] and that everything revolved around the Earth [That has also been proven false].

Graham · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by God

The bible says Jesus was exhumed into Heaven, thus not leaving behind a body. So if the story is true, you wouldn't find a body anyway.

No....
His body was wrapped in the shroud right after crucifixion, therefor he was in the shroud until he was in the tomb (his body at least). His soul might have been projected to heaven, but not his body. They placed him in the tomb with a large boulder in front. He folded the shroud neatly and that's how it was found inside of the empty tomb.

God · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Graham W.

No....
His body was wrapped in the shroud right after crucifixion, therefor he was in the shroud until he was in the tomb (his body at least). His soul might have been projected to heaven, but not his body. They placed him in the tomb with a large boulder in front. He folded the shroud neatly and that's how it was found inside of the empty tomb.

I am aware, but Hallydude said that if they found his body he might believe.

If it were true, there would be no body to find.

Catholics believe that his body was exhumed into Heaven, as the Bible states, after speaking with the Apostles.

**hallydude** · **Re: The Shroud of Turin -** 03-23-2009, 05:31 PM

so since the evolution beat creationism and the whole 6/6/06 thing didn't happen, don't you think people realize that not everything in the bible is true? I personally think it's a story, like a made up story. How else can they explain a lack of jesus...oh wait, he got sucked into heaven, great ending.